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Old 11-06-2005, 09:50 PM   #1
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Great... Getting the ball rolling on this is the toughest... Once you start then it'll all start to move quicker. The wait is always the hardest.
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As I have been doing my research on how to get the tank set up. I do have a question, do you put the live sand in with uncured rock to get it started or do you put the rock in by it self then once it is cured put the sand in? I have read conflicting reports. I don't want to kill the benefits of live sand.
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hmm good question. On my 55 gal reef tank that crashed on me about 2 months ago I added the uncured live rock in with the existing live sand (not the cause of the crash). This was done after the crash. I had moved the live rock that was in it to another tank. Well my tank cycled again and when I had enough money to buy another batch of live rock I had to cycle the tank again. Which is why the setup of my tank is tanking so long.

If you truely have live sand and are going to be purchasing uncured live rock then my suggestion to you is to have the live sand in the tank and get yourself some rubbermaid tubs and use an extra pump and an extra cheapy light and put the uncured live rock into it. As long as you have circulation and light then you will be able to cure the live rock.

If you are buying the "live sand" and live rock at the same time then I prob would just place everything in at the same time. As you "live sand" in a bag will also cycle.
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Thank you. After reading the other thread on the new tank, I have another question. What does cooking the hirock means? How long do you cook it? I was planning on adding about 60-90 pounds of this hirock. I have a few months as I only have the tank so far. the rock can be my next purchase so that it has time to cook.
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Also to let you know I was planning on 105 pounds of Marshall Island live rock and about 90 pounds of hirock. the live rock is uncured. Another question, how much live sand do I need? Is the live sand in the bags really "alive"? I don't understand how stuff can survive in a sealed bag.
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Another question, how much live sand do I need? Is the live sand in the bags really "alive"? I don't understand how stuff can survive in a sealed bag.

Supposedly the live sand can stay alive for up to a year, according to some of the manufacturers. All bags of live sand should be dated, so the fresher the sand the more alive it will be. Save your money and buy mostly dry sand. It will take a little longer, but in due time all of your sand will be "live". If you know someone who has a healthy established tank then see if you can get a handful of sand from their tank as a seed for your sand. If you can get a handful of sand from a few different healthy established tanks then this will improve the biodiversity in your tank.
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What does cooking the hirock means? How long do you cook it? I was planning on adding about 60-90 pounds of this hirock.

Hello Teeka,
The hirock is dry base rock and will not need to be "cooked". It will just need a good rinsing before it goes into your tank.

Cooking live rock will kill off any undesirables that may be living on the live rock. This process allows you to contol exactly what goes into your tank and limits it to basically the bacteria and the coraline algae, as most everything else will die off. This prevents the die off from happening inside your tank and allows you to effectively remove most organic matter before putting it in your tank.
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If I am starting a new tank should I do this or should I start the uncured rock in the tank? If so how long do I cook it? I am sorry to be a pest but I am trying to figure out how I should get everything. Yes I am doing my research.The problem I am finding is that everyone has a different way, I am so new that it just boggs me down. Should I just put the live sand and the live rock in the tank and forget about it for 2-3 months.
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If I am starting a new tank should I do this or should I start the uncured rock in the tank? If so how long do I cook it? I am sorry to be a pest but I am trying to figure out how I should get everything. Yes I am doing my research.The problem I am finding is that everyone has a different way, I am so new that it just boggs me down. Should I just put the live sand and the live rock in the tank and forget about it for 2-3 months.

Everyone has their own opinion as to what works best. Here is my experience with uncured rock. -

When I set up my tank I bought uncured live rock that was aquacultured in the Gulf of Mexico. It was teaming with life which I thought was great at the time. It was packed full of undesirables including crabs, urchins, mantis shrimps, algae, etc. The crabs eventually battled it out killing each other until there was only on big one left, which I was finally able to remove. I was always pulling out dead crabs that had been killed by other crabs. I had probably 15-20 small black urchins which kept growing and competing for space and food until most had died and a few grew really big. The mantis were a pain to remove. I had to dig through the rocks numerous times trying to pull them out and then rebuild the rock work. I went through many different algae blooms before the rock finally stabilized. Not to mention the number big fireworms I had killed in the process.
So when these critters died in the tank they would pollute the water increasing the nitrate and phosphate levels, not to mention the number of times I had to rearrange the rocks to manually remove one thing or another.

So I would suggest that you save yourself some headache and cook your rock. You can't be sure exactly what you are putting in your tank with uncured live rock. By cooking the rock you have more control over what goes into your tank, plus the majority of the die off happens outside of the tank.

Either way you choose you can still have a successful tank. You just might have more headaches and aggravation depending on which route you take.

so...To cook your rock you will need a large container of some sort with a lid, a $10 rubbermaid trash can will work well, some fresh saltwater, and a powerhead. Some people will also add a heater to keep the temp slightly elevated.

Fill the trash can with the saltwater and add your rock. Drop in a powerhead and cover it with the lid and let it sit in the dark for 4-6 weeks. Change 50-80% of the water weekly making sure to siphon off the deterous that builds up on the bottom. Make sure to use the powerhead to blow off any decaying material from the rock periodically. After each water change you should notice less and less deterious build up. Letting it sit in the dark will also kill off any undesirable algae along the way. Coraline algae is tough and should survive this process and bouce back when you do add the rock to your tank.

Either way, I wish you the best of luck. Keep us updated on your progress.
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